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[ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland

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Replying in the order of the notes in the PDF.

Quote:Do you mean variables pertaining to the country of origin, or the destination country? This should be made clear in this sentence.

Made it more clear.

Quote:These two sentences are linguistically suboptimal. Better: This is because part of the reason...is that the people living there possess behavioral traits that are unfavorable for the generation of wealth. When they move..., they will still possess these traits,.... Also, does the hypothesis specify the mechanism of behavioral transfer (genetic or cultural), or is it agnostic about mechanisms? But perhaps you put this in the discussion section.

Sentences seem fine to me. Added a note about the agnosticism of the spatial transferability hypothesis about the cause of the stability of traits.

Quote:Does this last paragraph refer only to tertiary educational attainment? In that case it should not be a separate paragraph. Also, does the website define what specifically landbakgrunn means? For example, how would it list someone with Norwegian citizenship and a Moroccan mother and Norwegian father? One of the central question in migration research is in what way first and second and third generation immigrant are different from each other and the natives of the host country.

Joined it with the last paragraph.

Added a footnote about the meaning of "landbakgrunn". I could not find any clarification on their website. It is probably a legalistic definition akin to Denmark. There is no information about immigrant generation. Presumably, they are mostly 1st gen. immigrants.

Quote:for simple correlatens we don't really have predictors, only correlates. "Predictor" implies causality, which we cannot infer from correlation alone. In multiple regression, the term predictor should be avoided as well ("independent variable" is the better term), because you can only say that the model predicts the outcome (the "dependent variable" in a statistical sense, again without proving causality. Check this throughout the following text.

"predictor" does not imply causality, it simply is another term for "independent variable" which is far longer. Added a footnote about this.

Compare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_...s_synonyms

Quote:This would be expressed more clearly if you state that you need 1. a sufficiently large sample of countries so that country comparisons can produce statistically significant results, and 2. a sufficiently large number of individuals representing each country to reduce random sampling errors, and that there is a tradeoff between these two requirements.

I think it is fine the way it is. I don't care that much about statistical significance. I am interested in effect sizes. Standard statistical significance tests are not suited for grouped data anyway.

Quote:Observations about the results in this table: The correlations of crime and education with IQ and lgGDP that you describe in Norway and Finland are very similar to those at the country level worldwide: Crime, and especially violent crime, correlates more with IQ than with lgGDP. In regression models, lgGDP is usually not a significant predictor of crime, but IQ and racial diversity are the important independent predictors. Education (measured as educational degrees or average years in school) correlates more with lgGDP than with IQ, most likely because rich countries can afford extensive school systems. You may want to discuss your results on this background, if you don't do it in your discussion section already.

I rather not. The crime variable have a small sample which may effect their strength. The Danish datasets are better suited for this kind of comparison because it has a larger sample of countries, and is both age (by age groups) and sex controlled (men only). See the previous paper: http://openpsych.net/ODP/2014/05/educati...n-denmark/

Quote:Better: Correlations of 1 indicate perfect prediction (in the statistical sense), and 0 means no relationship.

This is not right. See the pedagogical example above: http://openpsych.net/forum/showthread.ph...04#pid1704

These correlations are not predictor x outcome variable correlations, they are predictor vector intercorrelations.

Quote:This could be expressed much clearer. What you seem to mean is collinearity, which means correlations among the independent variables in a regression model. Better write that you want to determine the correlations among those country-level variables that predict migrant outcomes in Norway and Finland. Also, in the table you should indicate the number of countries on which these correlations are based. You mention N = 9 in the text, but it is easier for readers when they don't have to search the text when trying to make sense of the table.

How would you rewrite it? It seems clear to me. I am waiting for the input of Dalliard and Meng Hu about what terminology they prefer me to use, since it seems that the word "interaction" causes misunderstandings.

The table does not concern co-linearity as such (one could assess that with variable inflation factors). The paper does not include discussion of multiple regression results as that seemed uninteresting to me.

Added information about sample size to table captions for both predictor vector analyses.

Quote:In this place, you can delete "or fewer".

Deleted.

Quote:Syntax of this sentence.

Syntax seems fine to me.

Quote:To reduce cognitive effort needed to read and understand this, it would be better to write something more like "I want to know how socioeconomic outcomes of migrants in Norway (measured as S factor scores) relate to country-level variables measured in the migrants' countries of origin."

Added "country-level" to the sentence. The term "S factor score" is used throughout the paper and does not need further explanation. However, changed the abstract to the non-abbreviated term, as well as the section (4) where the international S scores are introduced. Note that section 5 also mentions the abbreviation.

Quote:There are similar differences for lgGDP, IQ and Altinok. But none of them are very large, and because of the limited number of countries they may be chance findings.

There are not. E.g. IQ x local S for imputed Danish dataset is .54, Norway is .59. You must mean the smaller datasets. Note that the IQ predictor strength decreases with increasing sample size, while the Islam one doesn't change much. The others tend to increase. The differences in the smaller samples are probably statistical artifacts.

Quote:Here, make clear whether you mean the S factor calculated for immigrant groups in the host country (calculated from income, crime rate etc), or for the countries of origin (calculated from lgGDP, national IQ etc).

Made it more clear.

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An updated draft can be found in the paper repository. https://osf.io/g2fsr/
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[ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-27, 03:05:37
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Aug-27, 20:30:31
Reply to MH - by Emil - 2014-Aug-28, 01:07:46
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Aug-28, 22:01:59
New draft - by Emil - 2014-Aug-29, 16:29:58
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Aug-29, 17:02:43
Reply to Dalliard - by Emil - 2014-Aug-29, 18:31:43
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Aug-29, 20:04:19
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-29, 20:09:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-30, 19:24:13
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-06, 19:41:43
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-07, 02:02:18
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-07, 19:34:07
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Duxide - 2014-Aug-31, 18:57:38
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-31, 20:56:05
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Duxide - 2014-Aug-31, 21:06:48
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Sep-01, 20:23:32
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-07, 20:57:28
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-09, 22:20:28
Dalliard - by Emil - 2014-Sep-10, 23:02:32
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-11, 17:36:29
Imputation - by Emil - 2014-Sep-11, 19:25:46
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-11, 20:27:46
Number of imputations - by Emil - 2014-Sep-11, 20:44:14
VIM - by Emil - 2014-Sep-11, 23:56:02
New draft - by Emil - 2014-Sep-12, 04:16:01
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-12, 23:54:29
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-12, 19:54:07
New draft, 16th sep. - by Emil - 2014-Sep-16, 06:37:57
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-16, 19:23:25
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-16, 21:00:46
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-16, 22:58:16
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-16, 23:54:09
Dalliard's nth review - by Emil - 2014-Sep-17, 01:51:01
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-18, 02:52:34
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-18, 15:24:41
Minding my P's and V's - by Emil - 2014-Sep-18, 15:26:09
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-23, 21:08:42
Predictor vectors terminology - by Emil - 2014-Sep-23, 22:40:18
Predictor x outcome interaction - by Emil - 2014-Sep-18, 17:10:48
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-18, 18:06:15
Revision, 22.09 - by Emil - 2014-Sep-22, 01:21:31
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Philbrick Bastinado - 2014-Sep-22, 03:19:27
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-23, 09:41:00
Storing files on OSF - by Emil - 2014-Sep-23, 22:53:26
Meisenberg's review - by Emil - 2014-Sep-24, 22:44:49
Reply to Meisenberg - by Emil - 2014-Sep-25, 07:04:29
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-25, 17:45:04
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-25, 18:10:20
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-25, 18:21:01
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-26, 00:49:07
"interaction" and predictor intercors - by Emil - 2014-Sep-26, 01:43:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-27, 03:07:12
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-27, 06:16:27
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-29, 01:43:11
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-29, 01:11:47
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-29, 07:39:07
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-29, 18:41:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-29, 20:28:23
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-29, 20:59:51
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Oct-02, 04:28:11
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-03, 13:25:35
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Oct-03, 22:26:31
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-04, 13:26:57
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Oct-04, 16:26:41
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-04, 18:00:08
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-04, 19:44:05
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-04, 21:11:30
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-05, 01:08:29
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-06, 19:35:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Duxide - 2014-Oct-06, 22:48:18
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Oct-09, 00:07:14
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 01:56:33
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Oct-09, 02:32:53
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 03:10:57
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-09, 08:08:41
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 08:11:38
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-09, 18:38:10
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 20:41:57
 
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