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[ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland

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Hi Dalliard,

Thank you for reviewing my paper.

(2014-Aug-29, 17:02:43)Dalliard Wrote: 1) The 'draft' watermark is REALLY irritating when trying to copy text. Don't use it.


You can just copy the text from the source file (article.tex). The reason to use the draft watermark was discussed here: http://www.openpsych.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=119

Quote:2) Figures 1 and 2 are under copyright and probably cannot be used under fair use.

The journal is hosted in Denmark and from my reading of the Danish copyright law, it is clearly a legal case of quotation.

Quote:3) "These findings indicate that the same areas of origin tend to be criminal in both Norway and Finland."

Areas are not criminal, people from those areas are.

Rewrote to: "These findings indicate that people from the same areas of origin tend to be criminal in both Norway and Finland."

Quote:4) "population sizes were not sorted by age, so I had to use the entire age group. This introduces error if the age population structures are"

Poorly worded. Also, aside from age, there are also differences in sex ratios.

I have rewritten it to:

"The reason it is a pseudo per capita is that population sizes were not available by age groups, so I had to use the entire age group even though the educational attainment data concerned only people aged 16 and above. This introduces error if the age population age structures are different. The data are also not broken down by gender so there is possibly gender ratio bias as well."

Does this work for you?

Quote:5) "Pew Research's Islam rate."

"Islam rate" is meaningless. Clarify.

Doesn't seem meaningless to me. It is the per capita rate, i.e. percent of population who believes in Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#Table

I changed the wording to "Pew Research's Islam prevalence in percent.".

Does this work for you?

Quote:6) "the sample of countries was not so large as to introduce significant sampling error in estimates."

Clarify why increasing N increases sampling error.

It is indirectly mentioned earlier: "The first variable includes all groups with a population $>=200$. The second only includes groups with $>=1000$ such as to reduce sampling error."

Including many countries means the samples must be smaller. This introduces sampling error.

Quote:7) I assume you used crime rates from Table 2 in Skardhamar et al. These rates are unadjusted for sex and age, unlike their Figure 1. Because sex and age are important causes of crime, not adjusting for group differences in them leads to biased estimates. You can get adjusted values from their Table 4 by converting the M2 odds ratios to d values (or, more roughly, by using sex and age as reported in Table 1 as covariates). The unemployment, education, and income results should also be adjusted for age and/or sex but I would guess it's not easy to do.

I used Table 2 data, yes.

Adjusting for sex and age statistically overdoes the adjustment. If you look at their Table 4, M2 (age+sex adjust in logistic regression) has a rate of .7 for Afghans in Norway, lower than natives (1.0). That's not right. Afghan men aged 20-29 do not have lower crime rates than Norwegian men aged 20-29. (Looking at women is uninteresting since they commit only 10% of crimes or something).

The Danish dataset allows one to examine the effects of statistically controlling for age and sex while also doing it manually (by limiting the sample to men in some age group).

What one want to do is compare similar age groups as I did in the Danish study. I have asked SSB (Norway Statistics) for these data: men, age 15-19, 20-29, per capita crime rates by country of origin. It may take some time for them to give it to me. It may cost a lot of money. Basically, SSB is given a government monopoly on access to the data, so they can set the prices any way they want.

Perhaps they will give me the data soon, then we can compare the statistically adjusted values with the real ones.

Quote:8) When you have four predictor variables, each of which predicts about equally well, the study seems incomplete without multiple regression analyses where the effect of each predictor is examined when holding the others constant. The unemployment, education, and income data are confounded by age and sex differences between groups, so even the zero-order results regarding them are dubious, but MR could be used on the sex- and age-adjusted crime rates. (Then again, the crime data have small Ns. Perhaps just run an analysis where one variable is held constant, e.g., what's the correlation with IQ when the effect of Islam is removed, and vice versa.)

I did some MR analyses, but it didn't seem very interesting, so I left it out.

I used automatic modelling in R, using AIC and BIC. AIC results always included Islam and some at least one of the others. BIC always resulted in the model of Islam+GDP. This was also the result in my previous Danish study when I compared adjusted R^2 values.

Quote:9) In the references list, capitalize country names and nationalities. Your Norwegian immigrant paper is marked as "submitted", but it was already published.

Fixed.
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[ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-27, 03:05:37
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Aug-27, 20:30:31
Reply to MH - by Emil - 2014-Aug-28, 01:07:46
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Aug-28, 22:01:59
New draft - by Emil - 2014-Aug-29, 16:29:58
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Aug-29, 17:02:43
Reply to Dalliard - by Emil - 2014-Aug-29, 18:31:43
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Aug-29, 20:04:19
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-29, 20:09:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-30, 19:24:13
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-06, 19:41:43
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-07, 02:02:18
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-07, 19:34:07
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Duxide - 2014-Aug-31, 18:57:38
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Aug-31, 20:56:05
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Duxide - 2014-Aug-31, 21:06:48
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Sep-01, 20:23:32
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-07, 20:57:28
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-09, 22:20:28
Dalliard - by Emil - 2014-Sep-10, 23:02:32
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-11, 17:36:29
Imputation - by Emil - 2014-Sep-11, 19:25:46
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-11, 20:27:46
Number of imputations - by Emil - 2014-Sep-11, 20:44:14
VIM - by Emil - 2014-Sep-11, 23:56:02
New draft - by Emil - 2014-Sep-12, 04:16:01
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-12, 23:54:29
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-12, 19:54:07
New draft, 16th sep. - by Emil - 2014-Sep-16, 06:37:57
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-16, 19:23:25
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-16, 21:00:46
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-16, 22:58:16
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-16, 23:54:09
Dalliard's nth review - by Emil - 2014-Sep-17, 01:51:01
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-18, 02:52:34
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-18, 15:24:41
Minding my P's and V's - by Emil - 2014-Sep-18, 15:26:09
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-23, 21:08:42
Predictor vectors terminology - by Emil - 2014-Sep-23, 22:40:18
Predictor x outcome interaction - by Emil - 2014-Sep-18, 17:10:48
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-18, 18:06:15
Revision, 22.09 - by Emil - 2014-Sep-22, 01:21:31
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Philbrick Bastinado - 2014-Sep-22, 03:19:27
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-23, 09:41:00
Storing files on OSF - by Emil - 2014-Sep-23, 22:53:26
Meisenberg's review - by Emil - 2014-Sep-24, 22:44:49
Reply to Meisenberg - by Emil - 2014-Sep-25, 07:04:29
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-25, 17:45:04
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-25, 18:10:20
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-25, 18:21:01
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-26, 00:49:07
"interaction" and predictor intercors - by Emil - 2014-Sep-26, 01:43:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-27, 03:07:12
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-27, 06:16:27
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-29, 01:43:11
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Sep-29, 01:11:47
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-29, 07:39:07
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Sep-29, 18:41:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Dalliard - 2014-Sep-29, 20:28:23
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Sep-29, 20:59:51
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Oct-02, 04:28:11
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-03, 13:25:35
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Oct-03, 22:26:31
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-04, 13:26:57
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Peter Frost - 2014-Oct-04, 16:26:41
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-04, 18:00:08
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-04, 19:44:05
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-04, 21:11:30
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-05, 01:08:29
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-06, 19:35:06
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Duxide - 2014-Oct-06, 22:48:18
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Oct-09, 00:07:14
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 01:56:33
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Meng Hu - 2014-Oct-09, 02:32:53
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 03:10:57
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-09, 08:08:41
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 08:11:38
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Chuck - 2014-Oct-09, 18:38:10
RE: [ODP] Crime, income and employment among immigrant groups in Norway and Finland - by Emil - 2014-Oct-09, 20:41:57
 
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